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Big Mess

by Danny Elfman

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Jim Hummel
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Jim Hummel Elfman has been a vague influence all my life with Oingo Boingo. His soundtrack work is where I began to become amazed. This album is every Elfman there's been. It's pure and puerile; Its stunning and stabbing. It's like sex with a dangerous person. I couldn't ask for more. Favorite track: Kick Me.
Joel
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Joel I actually don't love this record as much as I hoped I would. Made the mistake of buying it based on one track without listening to the whole thing first. Oops. Favorite track: True.
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bandfan25 Disturbing, raw, manic, teetering on the wrong edge of madness, discordant and desperate -- in other words, perfect for the time of COVID. Favorite track: Happy.
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1.
Sorry 04:53
Sorry I’m So Sorry There isn‘t time— for revolution There isn‘t time— to evolutionize or hide Those things most precious— our most precious Things that got erased, corrupted, infiltrated I‘m so sorry— I‘m so sorry I’m gonna try, I’m gonna try To get away from your compelling List of lies and misconceptions No protection, no escape Where I will never have to see your fucking face You suffocate me I can’t breathe while you’re alive I can’t breathe while you’re alive You suffocate, you suffocate And I’m so sorry that I didn’t die Or just evaporate into a toxic cloud It‘s gonna break— it‘s gotta break It‘s made of glass, it‘s gonna break And all the hate that you collected And infused into protected piles of shit Glass eyed devotees will flock to your gates Your house is on fire— your house is on fire Pull it forward— pull it back Your eyes are empty, cold and black We gotta break it, we gotta break it We gotta break that fucking jack whip On a broken hip— my life is a joke if I can‘t even breathe Sorry you exist because you suck the fucking air Out of my lungs I am not afraid to die— still alive, still alive And I won‘t let you bury me
2.
True 04:24
True just like me to think You need my energy I just can’t help myself Why do I live in hell? You need someone just like me That’s what I need to believe True or not, it doesn’t matter I‘ve got no place to go I‘m looking for a broken hand Something I can understand Time has not been kind to me (We talk about our destiny— We talk about our destinations) (X3) I got no destination I just got termination We talk about our harmony We think about our termination (Guitar Solo) (We talk about our destiny— We talk about our destinations) (X2) True just like me to think I make big plans for change You don’t need me no more I’m still looking for the door It’s just like me to say I’m sorry It’s just like me to do it again It’s just like me to plan tomorrow It’s just like me to forget what it was It’s just like me to chart a course To drift at sea, an empty vessel I’m right back where I started I’ve got no destiny (We talk about our destiny— We talk about our destinations) (X3) I got no destiny (X3) We talk about our harmony We think about our termination I got no destination
3.
In Time 04:27
In time we all create ourselves In time we make our own dominion We make our homes we make our hell We make our paradise as well Our lives, our tribes, our own religion We build ourselves a grand illusion Design our minds to find inclusion In time it all falls down Explodes without a sound Like stars colliding deep in space In time In time In time
4.
Everybody loves you— everybody needs you Everybody wants you— everybody sees you Aren‘t you lonely? Everybody loves you— everybody needs you Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody (It‘s another man‘s heart, it‘s another man‘s dream It‘s another man‘s life) (X2) I try to believe— but you‘re making it really hard I try to have a dream— but you‘re making it really hard What do we do when we‘re overflowing? Where do we go when it turns around? What do we think when the world‘s burning? What do we find when we‘re underground? I don‘t pray— saving it up for a rainy day I can’t pray— and it’s never really my journey that way You had me feeling, I was special Thinking I was special You— had— me dancing on the mountaintops You— had— me dancing by the riverside Dancing in the valley— dancing on the tall buildings You had me, dancing with the children You had me Everybody loves you, they do (X3) Try to emulate you, that’s true A bit of imitation, that‘s fine Some re-evaluation— in time Some re-evaluation— in time Everybody loves you— everybody needs you What do we do when we‘re overflowing? Where do we go when we’re turned around? What do we think when the world‘s burning? What do we find when we‘re underground? Taking it down to the big raw basics Taking it down to the bottom line Calling it out to whoever listens Givin’ it up ‘cause it ain’t mine I can‘t pray— saving it up for a rainy day And I always imagined that I was in control The signs always pointed to the things I used to know And everything that made me feel that life was going fine Was just a silly dream until the clock was out of time It‘s a light that I refuse to see I don‘t know what‘s come over me But I do appreciate the fact That you may not be coming back It‘s another man‘s life that I choose to live It‘s another man‘s world, I got nothing to give It‘s another man‘s anthem, it‘s another man‘s song It‘s another man‘s shadow that was way too long It‘s another man‘s passion, it‘s another man‘s light It‘s another man‘s blood and another man‘s fight It‘s another man‘s dream that I can‘t accept It‘s another delusion that I can‘t respect It‘s another man‘s vision that I can‘t protect It‘s another man‘s thoughts that I try to collect Off the borrowed labors of another man‘s sweat It‘s an inspiration I can never forget I‘ll keep searching for a 1000 ways To fill that cup that can never be filled With a 1000 holes that can never be fixed And a 1000 flaws in a 1000 places And a 1000 bodies and a 1000 faces And 1000 words that only fill up spaces For a bright and fleeting moment And the broken things stay broken I want to believe— but you‘re making it really hard I tried to have a dream— but you‘re making it really hard Taking it down to the big raw basics Taking it down to the bottom line Calling it out to whoever listens Givin‘ it up cause it ain’t mine I can‘t pray— saving it up for a rainy day I can‘t pray— I wouldn‘t even know which words to say
5.
Big gravity keeping me down and the Big gravity keeping me down and the Big gravity keeping me down (X4) I used to feel I could bounce on my feet like I took three steps on the moon I could leap off mountains And slide down craters And speak with a silvery spoon I could glide on treetops and fight all night With the monkeys and the baboons I could blindly take any road I saw And the world seemed comfortably small And I danced with the lemurs under moonlight And I danced with the lemurs under moonlight Danced with the lemurs under moonlight All night long, all night long, all night long, all night long All night long Big gravity keeping me down and the (X3) I used to dance with the owls and the monkeys I used to be home in the trees I used to feel like I owned the forest I’d get out of trouble with ease I used to think I was part of a tribe And was way above all the rest That we had no rules and we paid no dues And we thought that we were the best And I danced with the lemurs under moonlight I danced with the lemurs under moonlight I danced with the lemurs under moonlight All night long, all night long, all night long, all night long All night long Danced with the lemurs under moonlight (X3) All night long Big gravity keeping me down and the (X4) Big gravity Big gravity keeping me down and the Big gravity, Big gravity
6.
It‘s just a magic trick— with the flick of a card And you‘re everyone‘s daddy— and you‘re a media star And the grand old gentry— you know they‘re so composed While they take the power— from right under your nose And you thought that you’d never see the day When the whole damn thing could be taken away When the crowd starts waving that serious flag And the boots start marching there ain’t no turning back Turning back And when the whole thing started You thought it‘s only a joke You had a couple of laughs, everytime he spoke ‘Cause there’s no reason to worry, no it can’t happen here ‘Cause it’s a third world story, and we got nothing to fear And the crowd cries out with a glorious sound And the bonfire burns on the fertile ground And fireworks light up in the moonbeam sky And the children watching with their labrador big eyes You were right about the things you saw Reflected in the faces of those wild-eyed kids The crowd surged like a dead thing waking Crawling from the sludge of a cold black lake Rising with their clenched teeth, jaws vibrating And the teeth clack-clack’s such a curious sound (X4) You can hear the voices, you can hear the sound When they start marching on the serious ground You can hear the voices, you can hear the sound When they start marching on the serious ground Boots start marching on the serious ground (X4) Start marching on the serious ground (X4) It’s just a magic trick, on a two-dollar stage And when you blink your eyes You find the world has changed And the crazy old fuck, that was waving his arms Is now running the circus, with an army of clowns Well you know when the boots start hitting the ground And the crowd starts making that terrible sound The flag starts waving with the fists in the air And civilization dies, right there Dies right there The crowd cries out— the leader waves his hand Some tears are shed— but he seems to understand That in order to— set his people free (He) must erase the past— because nothing lasts
7.
When did our fears start taking over When did our brains start shutting down When did our eyes get all glazed over When did our minds get filled with clouds When will the light start shining on us So we can finally see again When will the bells start ringing out for Something that‘s worth it to defend Were we always just some— random driftwood waiting For a current to abandon us into a— tide of resignation My imagination— my imagination never— saw this Choose your side, just choose your side (X4) (Guitar Solo) When will we start to feel like we‘re not Helpless like some newborn pup When will we stop just waiting for A rescuing hand to pull us up When will we feel that breeze that tells us The wind has finally changed at last When will we learn not to repeat The same damn horrors from the past Were we always just some— random driftwood waiting For a current to abandon us into a— tide of resignation My imagination— my imagination never— saw this Choose your side, just choose your side (x4)
8.
We Belong 03:46
I think I know you I think I know you We’ve lived so many lifetimes, and died so many times We’ve stared into the black sun, and bathed in all its warmth We’ve torn each other’s hearts out, and drifted without form And slept beside the river, that gave life to us all We’ve mourned each other’s bodies We‘ve been inside the fire We’ve touched the darkest water, and seen without our eyes We belong together (X3) We belong We belong
9.
Happy 04:33
I’m so happy— Happy! I’m so happy— Happy! I’m so happy— Happy! Everything is crumbling (crumbling, crumbling) Everything is crumbling (crumbling, crumbling) Everything is crumbling (crumbling, crumbling) Happy!— Happy!— Happy!— Happy!— Happy!— Happy! Choose your Poison— Poison! Choose your Poison— Poison! Choose your Poison— Poison! Happy!— Happy!— Happy!— Happy! Everything is shutting down (shutting down, shutting down) Everything is shutting down (shutting down, shutting down) Everything is shutting down (shutting down, shutting down) Poison — Poison — Happy! — Happy! — Happy! — Happy! EAT (Eat)— FLY (Fly)— SILENCE (Silence)— JOY (Joy) CAT (Cat)— SEQUENCE (Sequence)— FUTURE (Future) PUPPY (Mother fucking puppy)— MY (My)— OWN (Own) MOTHER (Mother)— FUCKING— (Fucking)— LIFE (suffer) BURNED DOWN LIKE A HOLE IN THE WARM SOFT GROUND HOUSE— CHILD— HAPPY— FEAR My— own— voice Concentrating on flies Fill me up— knock me down Take my hand— take my hand and my eloquent knife Through my heart— through my heart Straight through my mother— mother fucking Heart belongs to you, my heart belongs to you Puppy (Fuckers) (X7) Eye for an eye, eye for an eye Tickety-tackety, tickety-tackety Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth It’s never enough, but it’s never the truth Life is a treat so pretty and pink Youth is wasted on the mother Youth is, youth is wasted on the mother Youth is wasted on the mother fucking Wasted on the mother fucking youth I’m so happy— Happy! I’m so happy— Happy! Snap chat— Rotting rats— Minecraft— Cheerios Netflix— Bag of tricks— Soothe my soul My anesthesiologist is fucking my psychiatrist And I feel no pain— cover me with Lidocaine I‘m so happy everything‘s so great And the world‘s an oyster on an appetizer plate Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy
10.
Just A Human 02:46
Burn the house and sell the kids We’re full of nothing in the fridge Put that in a blender and it fills me up with vitamins But I really can‘t complain It’s up down all around Isolation — gives me time to meditate On all the things I learned to hate, evaluate, irradiate Don‘t you know I love you but I‘m up down, all around Tiny little fingers tickle, tickle on my abdomen I thought that you were here Because I think I see you now and then I‘m only just a human (X3) I‘m only just a human, human Bone and bile and blood running wild and Beautiful dreamer, make me a believer Heart and spleen, is it all just a nasty dream I remember life as it used to be I had a wife and two kids who looked just like me Isolation — gives me time to meditate On all the things I learned to hate, adjudicate, assimilate To the universal amalgamation Travesty, I‘m not sure there‘s a place for me And no one seems to tolerate my peculiarities Don‘t you know I love you but I‘m up down, all around I can‘t see you but I know you‘re there So it’s touch, touch, touch, but it‘s butterfingers in the air I‘m only just a human (X3) I‘m only just a human, human Bone and bile and blood running wild and Beautiful dreamer, make me a believer Heart and spleen, is it all just a nasty dream I remember life as it used to be I had a wife and two kids who looked just like me I’m only just a human (X3) I’m only just a human human The end of the time is the end of the game The end of the time is the end of the game It’s never the same, it’s never the same It’s never the same, it’s never the same What did the man on the internet say What did the man on the internet say He wouldn‘t lie to me, he wouldn‘t lie to me Telling us, telling us, telling us, telling us, Over and over and over and over The end of the game is the end of the line The end of the game is the end of the line And you play it again and you play it again And again and again and again and again and again
11.
Devil take away— your time— what do you think? Devil take away— nobody better than you— never find me Take away now— my time— and you‘ll— never find me Damn shame nothing we can do but try It‘s a damn shame nothing we can do but cry Dance in circles and scream so loud Barricade the door and hide in the house And I— gotta say that You, don‘t always win, ain‘t it a sin How the others play the game Far way, that’s where I live Live by the rules, go ask any fool now Take it away, take it away, devil take My time and devil take down All my time and— devil take down My, my time and Damn shame nothing we can do but cry It’s a damn shame it ain’t worth the effort to try Damn shame, nothing left to do but hide And he took my body and he took my pride Damn shame— do but cry— give it all up and tell me that You— never find me— no, no, no, no, no, no Devil take away, take away Devil take, devil take away Take away, take away (Guitar Solo) Never the same, never the same, never the same twice Throwin’ the dice, throwin’ the dice— feel lucky Take it away, take it away, ain’t worth a fight Tell me to pay, tell me to pay— never right Giving it up, giving it up, give it all away Making a deal, making a deal— light of day Paying the price, paying the price with a dividend Making it right, making it right Till the living end, don’t you know that You, don‘t always win, ain‘t it a sin How the others play the game Far way, that’s where I live Live by the rules, go ask any fool now Take it away, take it away
12.
Living a life in a nutshell Living a life in a nutshell Stay inside and you’ll do well Break any rules and they might tell World outside is humming The mountain goats are sunning This shit ain’t no fun, open the door and run Now nobody likes you, what a shame Now nobody likes you (X3) Ooh, she likes me Ooh, she likes me, messages excite me Ooh she likes me Love in the time of Covid (X4) Keeping it, keeping it all inside (X3) I want to see you, I want to see you Without your clothes, without your skin Without your skin, without your skin Sinning, sinning, sinning, zoom me at midnight I want to see you— without your clothes, without your skin I want to see you— without your skin without your skin Living a life in a nutshell Staying inside is a tough sell Sniffing around for some intel If I run out of buds it’ll be hell Outside birds are singing, church bells are ringing I’m filling up with feeling, open the door and run Now nobody likes me (nobody likes you) (X4) Ooh, she likes me The videos excite me Under the virtual moonlight We got a date at midnight Love in the time of Covid (X4) Watching the cat, watching the cat Bouncing off the walls, I feel like that Let’s make a rendezvous It’s almost like having you in the room I want to have sex (too soon) I can almost feel you Starting to spin, starting to spin Looking up, looking out, looking in I’d give the world just to touch your skin
13.
Native intelligence— hard to find Animal eloquence— sometimes Searching for relevance— online Here comes the eulogy Trust me, children, trust me, darlin’ Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Don’t you want to play? (X3) Native intelligence— nowhere Searching for evidence— in the air Talk to the elephants— waste of time Here comes the eulogy Trust me, children, trust me, baby Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Don’t you want to play? (X3) I’d like to rejoice I dream, of a choice To regain a fraction of a life Not reaction I dream, I dream Native intelligence— hard to find Animal eloquence— sometimes Here comes the eulogy Trust me, children, trust me, darlin’ Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Taking a bath in cyanide, taking a bath Taking a bath in cyanide I’d like to rejoice I dream, of a choice To regain a fraction of a life Not reaction I dream, of a choice I dream Giving up all my energy (X4)
14.
Better Times 03:14
Just in time— to catch the show you‘ve already paid for Just in time The spectacle’s about to begin And everyone‘s here that matters there‘s one little hitch Hope you forgive The chattering monkeys, they broke in Creating some damage It‘s really most unfortunate when they try to ruin perfection And we‘ve got highly trained young men To guarantee protection To hell with all formalities, let‘s toast to mediocrity ‘Cause we’re the ones who safeguard All the keys to the palace To better times, to better times, to better times (X4) Just in time— the aliens are about to invade us Time to ride The freaks are forming their own brigade But I don’t know why they’re trying They promise a splendid big parade That we find terrifying Those chattering monkeys want to steal The spotlight from the circus But if you don‘t mind please ignore them They really have no purpose To hell with all formalities, let‘s drink to mediocrity ‘Cause we’re the ones who are holding All the keys to the palace It‘s time to take the circus down And burn the palace to the ground Take back the keys from the clowns And raise your glass and toast the little monkeys To better times, to better times, to better times (X4)
15.
I’m resistant now to change Feeling different can be very strange I’m feeling a compelling urge To enact some kind of purge It’s not like me to feel this way It’s not like me to feel this way Cruel compensation, cruel compensation Living a lie gets so easy to take Because time has no friends no beginning or end Perpendicular anomalies Crowd my space and sap my energies Take my weapon before I forget And do something that we both regret It’s not like me to feel this way (X3) Cruel compensation, cruel compensation Dynamite to the intellect, with an NDA Not to resurrect, but to purify, not eliminate Through a mental disorder we struggle to elevate I‘m resistant now to change, feeling different can be strange I am feeling a compelling urge, to enact some kind of purge It‘s not like me to feel this way It‘s not like me to feel this way Dignity for the human race Is like getting a leather boot in the face It‘s an insult— that no one should ever have to Take from the man who shouts out a command for Respect and compliance— an act of defiance is Everything— but it‘s never enough Without energy— it‘s the only acceptable Answer— and it‘s never enough And it feels like it‘s going to be tough Deficit and corrupted Like an effigy without a soul-less intervention With every intention of doing the wrong thing And do it again and again and again to be Sure that the damage is done Cruel compensation— harsh situation Deep penetration— serious resignation It‘s not like me to— it’s not like me to Feel this way— feel this way It‘s not like me to— it’s not like me to Feel this way— feel this way It’s not like me to Feel this, feel this, feel this, feel this, feel Don’t make me do things that we’ll both regret Saying things that I know I will soon forget Paying the dividends, paying the dividends get what you get Everything needs to get turned upside, turned upside down It‘s not like me to
16.
Kick Me 02:11
Kick me I‘m a celebrity, kick me I‘m a celebrity (X2) Losers not invited, losers not invited Kick me I‘m a celebrity, kick me I‘m a celebrity (X2) Losers not invited, losers not invited Look now everybody can see, look now everybody can see Love me, love me Kick me, I‘m an arrogant, prick me I‘m an arrogant (X2) I‘m a selfish asshole, I‘m a selfish asshole Kick me I‘m a royalty, kick me I‘m a royalty (X2) Poverty disgusts me, poverty disgusts me But I‘m such a likable guy, but I‘m such a likable guy Love me, love me I‘m a lovely guy, I‘m a lovely guy, kick it, kick it So I know you‘re there I do appreciate you as I would a chair So I can sit and you and you will see How much that you depend on me I, love it when you, love it when you, really love it when you Treat me like a scumbag, treat me like a scumbag Fuck me I‘m a billionaire, fuck me I‘m a billionaire (X2) I love the attention, I love the attention Kick me I‘m a celebrity, kick me I‘m a celebrity (X2) Losers not invited, losers not invited I‘m such a sensitive guy, I‘m such a sensitive guy Love me, love me Kick it, kick it, kit it, kit it Love me, love me, love me, love me, love me Kick it, kick it, kick it, kick it, kick it, kick it, kick it Love me, love me, love me, love me, love
17.
Get Over It 04:07
The jury‘s out, hung it up, couldn‘t decide What‘s wrong, or right Get over it, get over it baby Quit your shoutin‘— too much sound Quit your gripin‘— just look around Get over it ladies, get over it gents Get over it babies, get over it The jury‘s out, hung it up, couldn‘t decide What‘s right, or wrong, and Do you, know better? Do you know what‘s inside? Do you know what makes the clock tick backwards? Through time When things, were different Calmer minds, prevailed But that ship has sailed Get over it ladies, get over it gents Get over it babies, get over it Do you know the story about the man Who gave his life to sorrow? He gave it up, like an old cigarette To find a better tomorrow Lightning, strikes three times, bad luck comes in threes Get over it ladies, get over it gents Get over it babies, get over it The jury‘s out— and another one‘s down And out like an animal banished From Eden— but I never liked apples And God— would no doubt— be angry If he ever found out, what you and me Were up to, last night, behind the gym I couldn‘t help but notice—your skin Was soft to the touch— and just like that It‘s over Lightning, strikes three times, bad luck comes in threes The devil lives— in a big white house There‘s no mercy, there‘s no mercy Get over it ladies, get over it gents Get over it babies, get over it To the right, there‘s a mountain, to the left there‘s the sea And above a flock of sparrows And they fly— with the wind— to steal your soul For a price— they move incognito And find a way, and know what they do To your heart, and then they burrow Your friends and neighbors, they won’t have a clue They will come, and they will, find you You will ask forgiveness, but there‘s none to find It‘s the price, you pay, for greatness Lightning, strikes three times, bad luck comes in threes The devil lives in a big white house There‘s no mercy, there‘s no mercy, there‘s no mercy For me
18.
Insects 03:05
Tiny insects in my hair, tiny insects everywhere Tiny insects in my pants, watching insects make romance Insects make me, make me want to Dance, dance, they make me dance… Those insects make me want to Insects crawling all around, insects squirming on the ground Insects gooey, squeaky, chewy, should I eat them… no I’d rather stomp, hurt them, stomp, stomp them while I Dance, dance, they make me want to dance Dance, dance, they make me dance… Insects walking on two legs, insects fucking with our heads Insects work is never done, they’ve all moved to Washington They bite and sting and suck… Bite and sting and suck, suck, suck… Bite and sting and suck, suck, suck… (Suck, suck suck…) Old white men they want to suck my blood They want to suck your blood They want to suck, suck, suck, suck, suck… Old white men they want to suck our blood they want To suck out our brains, suck out our brains, make us Stupid as hell, stupid as hell, they’ve got Something to sell something to sell, shove it down our Throat in a pill, throat in a pill, make me want to Puke, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck Old white men, they’re back in power again They’re sucking all the power and pride They’re leaving us anesthetized If they’re trying to lobotomize Don’t you know, they suck suck suck suck suck suck… Cauterize, penalize, euthanize, legalize, supervise Synthesize, patronize, eulogize Suck your brains out with a straw through your head and Suck out your brains, suck out your brains, suck em’ in the Suck out your brains, suck out your brains, suck em’ in the Suck, suck, suck… Suck out your brains, suck out your brains, suck out

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released June 11, 2021

Music & Lyrics by Danny Elfman
Produced by Danny Elfman
Recorded by Noah Snyder
Additional Engineering: Nick Rives & Matt Tuggle
Mastered by Joe LaPorta at Sterling Sound

String Orchestration by Steve Bartek
Orchestration Assistant: Marc Mann
Midi Prep: Orlando Perez Rosso
Additonal Audio Editing: Christopher Bartek
Technical Assisstant: Giacomo Lamparelli

Female Vocal Soloist: Petra Haden
Female Choir: Holly Sedillos, Anna Schubert,
Danielle Withers

Strings - Featuring the Lyris Quartet

Orchestra: Budapest Art Orchestra
Conductor: Peter Pejtsik
ProTools Engineer: David Lukacs
Recording Engineer: Gabor Buczko
Contractor/Session Producer: Miklos Lukacs

Orchestra (“Happy” & “Sorry”): Budapest Scoring Orchestra
Conductor: Zoltán Pad
Orchestra producer: Bálint Sapszon
Orchestra coordinator: Bertalan Veér
Recording Engineer: Dénes Rédly

Recorded at: Studio Della Morte (LA), East Connection Music Recording / Studio 22 (Budapest), Capitol Studios (LA)

Executive Producer: Laura Engel
Project Producer: Melisa McGregor

Danny Elfman’s Representation – Kraft-Engel Management

Creative Direction, Album Art Direction & Graphic Design: Berit Gwendolyn Gilma
Album Artwork: Sarah Sitkin
Additional 3D: Hirad Sab

Special Thanks:
Brett Gurewitz, Andy Kaulkin, Doug Mark, Richard Kraft, Laura Engel, Melissa Karaban, George Doering,
Josef Zimmermann, Scott McRae

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